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Martin Burns

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According to the ad, the day you realised there was no Santa Claus was an epiphany. It claims that realising you needed a certain type of hardware was another one. But I can go one better: the night your site advertised PCs at £10.00 (rather than £1000) and you couldn't correct it until the design agency came in the next morning. Now that's an epiphany.

All over the Web, marketing and sales managers are realising that manual systems for managing their online offering could leave them vulnerable. And this isn't just adland spin - last year one online retailer received 6,000 orders for the $544 monitor it accidentally advertised for $164.

If that doesn't keep you awake at night, consider the following situations, all drawn from actual events:

  • It takes a month to sign off the site's Terms & Conditions because every time any one of your organisation's lawyers changes a full stop, all the other ones need to sign it off.
  • You realise that your site's visual design isn't working, but it will take a month to wrap a new design around the same words.
  • Your web design agency insists on all content being signed off two months before it goes live... and then transcribes it incorrectly.
  • In a parting gesture, the Web publisher you fired replaced photos of board members with sheep.
  • You can't update one section of the site because another section has a major overhaul underway. You can either publish the entire site, with both complete and incomplete updates, or hold until both are completed.
  • You have to work through the night to publish the company's results at market opening time because you don't have a secure area to develop them in advance.
  • You send email promotions about 'upgrading' to Windows2000 to registered Mac users.
  • You're employing an army of skilled web publishers just to update the system requirements of your software.

Make no mistake - if you are running a substantive web site without a CMS, you will hit a wall where your eBusiness is no longer sustainable because you can't update your site reliably or quickly enough. From that point, you will need to tear down almost your entire web infrastructure to put a CMS in its place.

As more and more companies are hitting this wall, it's no surprise, then, that the CMS market is at the start of an escalator. In the six months ending June 30, 2000, one of the leading vendors, Broadvision, grew its revenues by 374% to $156.8m, while strong competitor Vignette grossed $55.2m, up over 600%. Faulkner Information Services conservatively estimates the entire market will develop to $65billion by 2003 - hardly surprising as implementing a comprehensive CMS may cost $2m - $5m; more if it needs to integrate with other systems.

What content do you have, and where is it going?

Think for a moment about all the content assets that you need to manage. On your site, you might have:

  • Your products' specifications, prices and benefits.
  • Product illustrations
  • Production information
  • Product categories
  • Special promotions
  • Terms and Conditions
  • Site navigation links
  • Availability
  • Support information
  • Developer features
  • Press releases
  • Jobs
  • Office addresses, maps and directions.
  • Logos, photographs and diagrams

Even if you're not currently communicating multinationally, your site can (and will) be seen around the world. Intentionally or not, you are communicating - and potentially selling - to many cultures, and it's worth investigating. However, to communicate effectively, you need to be considering publishing in multiple languages. In Europe alone, this implies up to 15 different language versions of your site, each with their own cultural sensitivities over imagery, strength of sales pitch and so on. You may not be managing this effectively; some of your competitors will be.

These might be sourced from:

  • Internal systems
  • External suppliers
  • R&D
  • Marketing
  • Photographers
  • Production
  • Operations
  • Site users

You then need to integrate this content into a consistent site and funnel it towards:

  • External customers, prospects, pressure groups, shareholders and other external audiences (Internet site)
  • Employees, including R&D, Support and Admin staff (Intranet)
  • Sales force, suppliers and partner companies (Extranet)
  • Non-PC access devices (kiosks, PDAs etc)
  • Internal and external systems
  • Intelligent devices

with the appropriate story being told to each audience.

Add to the mix the spice of personalisation where each individual user may have a unique version of the content and you have a recipe for extremely complicated production processes.

CMS Benefits

No more accidents

With a CMS, it becomes very difficult for content assets to be on the site accidentally. Any updates must pass through commissioning, creation and one or more predefined signoff steps before the system will publish it. The resulting audit trail provides accountability for each action.

Job sharing

Many sites are operated by a team distributed between offices, companies or even countries and notifying a participant of an assigned task becomes more complicated than calling across the room. The CMS could notify a participant by email, by SMS (mobile phone text messaging), by fax or even by auto-generated letter. Because all the major tools have a web interface, participants can perform their task and view its results from anywhere with web access. And with a sensible CMS security model, you can be sure that only authorised people can perform authorised tasks.

Advance and refresh

You can specify dates and times for the content to go live and be archived or removed, along with the contents target audience segments. You can also impose review dates to ensure that information is not simply left on the site to rot until a new product replaces it. The responsible area will need to rubberstamp the content as still valid, commission a replacement or archive/delete it. If content is removed or archived, the CMS will ensure that the remaining content is still structurally consistent, without leaving orphaned links to the deleted asset.

Speed to market

When you have a CMS, you suddenly have a tremendous advantage in the time it takes to react to market intelligence. You can write, edit and publish updates in a matter of minutes without suffering from "WebMaster Bottleneck". If your product globally propagates a virus, updates at this pace could be essential.

Alternatively, you take the decision that the visual design isn't working on a Monday morning, and can have a new design implemented by Wednesday. Why? Because your CMS is maintaining the site's structure, content and visual presentation in separate layers (see Figure 1, below), and will pour your content and its structure into a few visual templates.

Figure 1 - illustration of content layers
Presentation
Content
Site Structure

Similarly, you can restructure a site, merging and splitting areas, without substantial manual intervention, as this layer is also maintained separately.

Reduced maintenance costs

By automating the building of pages on your site, you will cut substantial sums from the site's maintenance costs. A reasonably content rich site could need 250 or more updates a day, each averaging around 2 man-hours to produce and test. As a Web Publisher with the competence to get the edits right and not break the site will cost from £150-£200 per day, you could be cutting £12,000 from your bottom line every working day.

Version Control

At its simplest, this means that you know, and can control, what content is supposed to be live today, what is sitting ready to go live next week, and what is being prepared by your team for the week after, and keep them separate on an piece-by-piece basis.

It also means that you can have one version of a news story live now, one being written to update it in an hour's time, and one incorporating the press release which is embargoed until tonight.

Simplified CRM Implementation

In many traditional Direct Marketing scenarios, an audience may be segmented into a dozen segments. In the online environment, where all user interactions are mediated by IT systems, users may be segmented into unique individuals. Managing many thousands of individually customised sites is no simple job.

Campaign Management tools will manage the users' preferences and behaviours, while Content Management tools will manage content that they will access. At the point of delivery (the web site, or email campaign), the two groups meet and content will be selected for a user to reflect their preferences and behaviours. Best-of-Breed players in each segment will relatively easily integrate, enabling rapid construction of eCRM solutions.

Content Syndication

Many sites are now pulling content from, and pushing content to, systems run by other organisations, best handled by a CMS. At its simplest, this will allow you to pull headlines and articles from a relevant news site, or gain an income stream by syndicating your own material to other site. Alternatively, it could be a way to share product specifications, prices, marketing information and availability with suppliers and vendors.

If you're selling to a large retailer, expect them to demand product features delivered directly to their CMS within the next year. Planning and building this facility before they do so will win you a major advantage.

Silicon.com reported last year that a number of b2b procurement marketplaces are struggling with the many catalogue formats they are managing, and are unable to satisfy either suppliers or buyers. A CMS will automatically handle the interfaces and pull content from multiple vendors without missing a beat.

Control of non-web content, channel integration and business re-engineering

Companies traditionally put web-production into a silo. Often, the first that a web team would hear about a new product would be when the first public ads were released. To be really effective, the web channel needs to be integrated into the core business as other communication channels are, which has implications regarding workflow and signoff of communication.

In the journey towards an effective CMS strategy, conflicts between departmental silos will be unearthed. Introducing a CMS can be the lever to ensure that R&D talk to marketing, rather than throwing products over the wall and expecting them to be sold without customer insight. If implemented completely, product information can flow between marketing, R&D and suppliers in a smooth flow, reducing departmental conflict.

Furthermore, it can be the lever which ensures that the eCRM nirvana of cross-channel, single customer view comes about, as the customer will be able to view the same content as the call centre and the sales force and the marketing department.

Reduced risk of litigation and adverse customer reaction

Publishing the wrong price or availability information on your site can bring strongly negative PR and class-action lawsuits, and hit your margins. Similarly, some industries - finance and pharmaceuticals for example - are highly regulated, where communicating the wrong interest rate or disclaimers can have serious legal consequences. By systemising the publishing of your content through automated workflows, you can ensure that all content is checked and signed off before it is publicly exposed.

Alternatively, you may wish to develop a user community by enabling users to contribute to your site. As Lawrence Godfrey's successful action against Demon shows, you may be held liable for defamatory content merely by providing a forum for the third parties who produce it. Ensuring that all content supplied by a user group perhaps numbering in the thousands is approved and launched in appropriate timescales and is available for removal will require all the automation help that you can get.

What's the downside?

Introducing a Content Management System is no small matter for an eBusiness, it is a strategic tool. In developing your system, you will expose process and infrastructure issues that may have been papered over for some time, and be forced to resolve them. However, as the scope and scale of content delivered to customer touchpoints increases, it becomes a basic equirement of being in eBusiness. Without it, your ambitions for growth are unsustainable.

6 core CMS requirements

Almost every CMS will require the following:

  1. Automated, audited workflow/signoff process
  2. Templating
  3. Roles-based security management
  4. Scheduled launch and archiving
  5. Integration with back office systems such as campaign management tools
  6. Scalability

You don't need a CMS (yet) if...

At least 4 of the following are true:

  • You have a small organisation where web publishing is in-house, and can communicate exceptionally well with content creation
  • Your site is small and doesn't update frequently in content or structure
  • Your online operation doesn't perform any personalisation
  • You don't integrate content between the web site and retail outlets, call centres, email newsletters or other channels
  • You don't need to manage specifications from R&D to customer support
  • You are not offering customers a community where they can contribute to a site
  • One individual has intimate knowledge of the entire site (and others have intimate knowledge over their own sections)

You should revisit this regularly at least quarterly and whenever you add additional functionality or content areas.

Related Info:

[You Need a Content Management System (for developers)]

Publication information:

This article was written for Infomatics, a VNU publication for IT sales and marketing people.

Martin Burns has been doing this stuff since Netscape 1.0 days. Starting with the communication ends that online media support, he moved back through design, HTML and server-side code. Then he got into running the whole show. These days he's working for these people as a Project Manager, and still thinks (nearly 6 years on) it's a hell of a lot better than working for a dot-com. In his Copious Free Time™, he helps out running a Cloth Nappies online store.

Amongst his favourite things is ZopeDrupal, which he uses to run his personal site. He's starting to (re)gain a sneaking regard for ECMAscript since the arrival of unobtrusive scripting.

He's been a member of evolt.org since the very early days, a board member, a president, a writer and even contributed a modest amount of template code for the current site. Above all, he likes evolt.org to do things because it knowingly chooses to do so, rather than randomly stumbling into them. He's also one of the boys and girls who beervolts in the UK, although the arrival of small children in his life have knocked the frequency for 6.

Most likely to ask: Why would a client pay you to do that?

Least likely to ask: Why isn't that navigation frame in Flash?

Very useful and informative article-

Submitted by wolf on February 4, 2001 - 12:11.

the checklist at the end is great. A very good article for clients to read and decide.

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Chance for review of popular CMS's?

Submitted by djc on February 8, 2001 - 08:47.

Martin - Nice article.. I've seen a couple sites that list the differences between some of the more popular CMS's out there. Was wondering if you had any ambition to do a comparative review of X number of those CMS's? Think it would be a nice addition to your series about the whole CMS world. Nice work though!

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Good Sanity check

Submitted by tobus on February 14, 2001 - 17:20.

Martin - well done on a good, plain English explanation of the relevent reasons for considering a CMS. Cuts to the important points rather than the features of each Vendors product they think they do better than anyone else, only to create confusion and to undermine their own credibility in most cases (particulalrly as you begin to implement and realise that the XYZ Widget they pushed doesn't help you a bit).

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Excellent Perspective

Submitted by Lindsay on February 15, 2001 - 04:06.

Martin

Very succinct description of the CMS challenges that most companies face.

Please look at www.mediasurface.com if you ever do decide to do what one of the other people who commented suggested; to do a review of CMS products.

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Good stuff

Submitted by jakesdad6299 on February 16, 2001 - 03:47.

Agree with lots - need to ensure the implementers of the CMS have both creative and technical skills to get the integration right first time.

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One size need not fit all

Submitted by MartinB on February 28, 2001 - 16:10.

The recent discussion of the ALA redesign, and its exclusion of v4 browsers, has centred around the thought "What about everyone else? Does producing a standards-compliant site, aimed at v5+ users necessitate abandoning everyone else?"

And some sites have interpreted it exactly as this.

Now this is all fine and dandy on personal sites, volunteer sites, and sites done with more love than budget (or systems backup). But as mentioned above, a real CMS will separate your content and your presentation. So there is no reason why you can't build a presentation layer based on CSS2 positioned <div&gt:s... and deliver it to v5+ browsers only. At the same time, you can build a presentation layer based on tables (hell, even <font> tags if you're that desparate) for older browsers, one for print layout which uses points, rather than pixels, to size text, one for text (and screenreading) browsers and so on. You would use a combination of explicit user preferences and UA string sniffing to deliver the single correct presentation format from the server to each user.

Sensible content management systems are based on presentation templates (and containers therein). This site is. It's not hard to do. If you have a pro site, this is how you should support the range of browsers, stretching each to the limit of their capabilities. For a professional site, "From 1997 through about mid-2000, it was possible to build Internet services using a business model based on separating gullible investors from their money. Because this is no longer feasible, the focus is now shifting to separating customers from their money. A much healthier way to build a business." adding value by extracting money from paying customers, to fail to do so is monstrous.

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Small Business Solutions?

Submitted by WebManager on May 4, 2001 - 15:34.

Great article! I think some of the biggest problems with current CMS solutions are they're only affordable by big companies, and you practically need a Ph. D. to implement and use them. I read an article in local paper about a company that provides an affordable CMS application that 2nd graders are using (really!). It's called foundationware -- sorry about the sales pitch -- I've just been looking for an affordable CMS application that non-technical people can use, and I don't think there are many out there. Anybody know of any other CMS applications that address the above issues for mid-sized companies?

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SME solutions

Submitted by MartinB on May 7, 2001 - 10:15.

You're right - CMSs which do all the above in a robust, scalable, loosely coupled way which play in big companies are expensive to buy and integrate (you don't need a PhD, although a good knowledge of Java and a few Vignette courses will never go amiss). There are smaller ones out there, from Spectra on down to the likes of phpWebSite .

However, very few of these will fully deliver against the issues above.

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Short and To-The-Point

Submitted by maggie_yeung on May 28, 2001 - 19:34.

I don't know much about CMS before I read the article. Now I think I had a better idea of what it is. There are just too many marketing information on the Web, and I just stumbled into this article. To my surprise, there's not a word mentioning of Interwoven or Vignette, etc.

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Interwoven/Vignette

Submitted by MartinB on May 29, 2001 - 03:02.

Maggie

There's some (slightly out of date) info on my previous article (there's a more regularly updated version on my own site)

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Great article

Submitted by mlmoore on July 12, 2001 - 07:51.

I work for a company that has created an affordable CMS system that both small and large companies are using. We also have an ASP version so the cost is even less. When I read your article I went to our CEO with it and we were pleased that we could accomplish the areas that you addressed. I am not trying to make a sales pitch, but since I read your article, I feel we have a very good product.

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Great Summary

Submitted by RobinM on July 13, 2001 - 06:59.

This article does a great job of highlighting why a CMS is important. Any content rich web site really requires a CMS to ensure quality, consistency, and efficient site updates. I'm currently using Webgenz. Webgenz does a great job of facilitating code reuse -- and it is excellent for most of the projects that I work on. However, it does not support the type of workflow features discussed in this article. I'd love to see an add-on to Webgenz that supports workflow. Does anyone know of one?

I concur with one of the previous comments -- it would be great to see a follow-up article that provides a comparative review of a number of leading systems.

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Good timing!

Submitted by DoohanOK on July 17, 2001 - 17:44.

I've just started building a ColdFusion powered CMS. Good to know I'm not wasting my time.

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The future of Content Management

Submitted by jasonbernard on August 11, 2001 - 04:08.

Whether businesses are going for the brand leaders, or so called 'free' CMSs that require expensive set up and maintenance, it seems there aren't many affordable and easy to install CMSs geared up for the needs of small businesses. As an IT consultant working with blue chip clients, nearly all systems I‘m aware of are cumbersome, overly complicated and out of the reach of most small to medium sized companies (Forresters estimate the average cost of installation to be $1m+). Certainly recent trends point to simplicity, and increasingly I'm finding CMS-savvy customers don't want to have to rebuild their sites to fit in with a particular system (or rebuild them again to get back out of it). They’re wary of proprietary code that effectively marries them to one CMS vendor, costly maintenance contracts, and expensive training courses. One British company, that attracted attention at the recent Internet World exhibition in London, is Melmedia. Their CMS jumped into the gap created by dissatisfied CMS users by completely avoiding database integration, site rebuilds and proprietary code. It slots into existing sites overnight and requires no training. The cost? £45,000 UK ($64,000) - the $64,000 question is how the likes of Vignette, Interwoven and Documentum will respond to the threat posed by this new breed of low cost low maintenance CMSs the market is demanding.

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all very well, but what does it do?

Submitted by MartinB on August 11, 2001 - 05:32.

I can see the attraction of a CMS which doesn't require coding or integration, but I'm pretty dubious about what such a system would do. How does it stack up against all the above? It sounds a lot like the emperor's new clothes to me. And as for proprietory code, what does it use? Is it something as open as Tcl or Perl - all of which are core to Vignette and Interwoven respectively.

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How Melmedia differs from other CMSs

Submitted by jasonbernard on August 11, 2001 - 09:44.

I think what makes Melmedia's 4.0 Enterprise Edition so interesting is that it matches the functionality of those $1m systems feature for feature - publishing flow, archiving, user permissions, rollback, scalability, the works, but at a fraction of the cost. As you rightly guessed, the principle coding language within the application is Perl. However the distinction with Melmedia, apart from cost, is that it slots straight into existing web sites without any need for site rebuilds, database integration or training. These factors are the major bones of contention I continually hear from existing CMS users. This makes it quicker and less costly to implement. The absence of proprietary code within the web pages also allows for the export of data from the site (one of my CMS clients using Mediasurface found data export impossible in anything other than their proprietary format, and had to rebuild the entire site from scratch). Having personally put the Melmedia application through its paces, I couldn’t agree less with your ‘emperor’s clothes’ analogy. I think this simpler, more streamlined approach to CMS will start to eat into the market of those older $1m systems created in the ‘90s.

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System which doesn't require rebuilds/integration

Submitted by MartinB on August 11, 2001 - 11:00.

Jason, I still don't believe that any system can run a site without a high degree of integration with it, unless all it does is simple version control and replication. This is not a CMS spec btw.

As for lack of training, I've not seen any publishing system (online or offline) which didn't need some degree of training unless it's an exact replica of what people are using already. And if it's what people are already using, where's the benefit?

What data would you need to export from a CMS anyway, if it's not either

  • XML
  • db records containing the content assets

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Melmedia

Submitted by jasonbernard on August 11, 2001 - 15:37.

The reason Melmedia attracted attention at the Internet World exhibition is that it eliminates the disadvantages of previous CMSs. Like you, I had my own reservations before testing it, but I understand your cynicism, and I have no particular axe to grind - I think the product speaks for itself. My experience of Melmedia is that it’s a fully fledged content management system that matches the capabilities of the top end systems that I previously recommended. Its interface is genuinely intuitive, and I found their help extranet quite sufficient to find my way around without formal training. In response to your question, my clients decided on an exit strategy from Mediasurface and tried to export the content assets from the Oracle database in HTML or text format, but without success. Mediasurface support confirmed this was not possible unless done in Mediasuface’s proprietary code, and the client was therefore forced to rebuild the site from scratch. Hope this clarifies things.

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Web Content Editors?

Submitted by pfreitag on August 16, 2001 - 07:53.

Great Article! Is anyone using html editors like Activedit Web Content Editor? They replace a textarea on a form with a WYSIWYG html editor, and your clients can make web pages with a Word like interface, pretty neat!

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Web content editors

Submitted by MartinB on August 16, 2001 - 14:12.

I've used a few, Pete. Nearly all of them produce very, very poor code, full of tags and the like. I've found it's better to train content managers to use basic HTML - at least enough to manage the simple assets involved, which almost never include any layout or complex coding.

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CMS Gazetteer

Submitted by mariekenapier on October 12, 2001 - 09:47.

I thought you might be interested in an article entitled 'Content Management and Web Publishing Systems Gazetteer' that has recently been published in Cultivate Interactive: http://www.cultivate-int.org/issue5/cms/ This article has links to 56 other CMS sites!! take a look.

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versioning control in CMS

Submitted by prudhvi on December 4, 2001 - 06:49.

after trying for CMS systems for our company on a small scale,but couldn't get them . so, i'am trying to develop a small scale content management system in our company with the content based in XML file. i am in a dilemna of how to use versioning in my system. it would be of help if any one would provide information on this.

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Version control

Submitted by MartinB on December 6, 2001 - 18:58.

Hi Prudhvi

You're going to have to have multiple versions saved, each related to the main content asset, so if you're using flat XML files, you're going to need some way of tying them all together along with flags for which is the current correct version.

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Web Designers

Submitted by oiboi on January 14, 2002 - 23:46.

I too have recently learned the joys of a CMS and Im currently in the process of integrating it into 5 of my clients sites.

I have one statement/question on all of this. Giving my customers the ability to manage their own site is kinda like taking money away from me right?

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not taking money away from you...

Submitted by aardvark on January 15, 2002 - 00:08.

By allowing your clients to maintain their own sites, not only do you create a better relationship with the client, but you also are able to move on to better and more interesting projects instead of just maintaining text copy for the rest of the life of your client. Neither you nor your client wins from that kind of long-term engagement.

I'd rather let the client maintain the content and allow me to move on to developing new features, rolling out new sections, adding new capabilities to the site, deploying more of these for other clients, etc. All in all, a CMS can elevate your own work and give you bigger and better projects once it frees you from the mundane text changes we all deplore.

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CMS work increases your earnings

Submitted by MartinB on January 15, 2002 - 10:08.

Here are four reasons why working with a CMS will increase the earnings you bring in:

  1. It's what clients want and need.
    This means that if you're going in with CMS as an offering, you're already positioned as a mature provider who understands the business needs which you're being paid to address, and a capable provider who can deliver. This will increase your likelihood of gaining the work both with the pitch you're making right now, and also by word of mouth.
  2. It's a lever to more work with the same client
    Once a client has understood the benefits of a CMS, and seen it working, they will want to move everything to it - internet site(s), intranet(s), extranet(s). And when they want to redevelop the site in a major way, they'll want to do it on their new strategic CMS platform. It's easier and cheaper for them to rebuy the same supplier (you) than brief someone else from scratch. Locking out competitors is usually a good business strategy. Also, once you've shown that you understand the client's business, you can move up the food chain towards helping them answer the question What are you trying to do with this e-thing? Business strategy is a long-term, well-paid revenue stream.
  3. It's better paid
    Working further up the foodchain - even at the CMS developer rather than the HTML coder level - means that you can charge higher rates. With the same capacity (ie x hours a week), you can substantially increase your revenues.
  4. It protects you against screwups
    Editing a client's content is a high-risk, low-reward game. Why would you want to do it?

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Very Good Points!

Submitted by oiboi on January 15, 2002 - 21:17.

Thank you aardvark and MartinB! You both have given very good points. I do see the benefits of a CMS as a developer.

Thank You!

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Keep it simple for the content editor

Submitted by tonino on February 13, 2002 - 16:30.

MartinB! I totally agree, but any content management solution will only work if you keep it simple for the content editors. Else they won't use it and still keep calling you for trivial adjustments. Personally I like FlexWindow a simple CMS solution based on javascript and e-mail. Users simply e-mail content updates to predefined content areas on their sites.

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Evolt Hall of Fame?

Submitted by haidary on February 14, 2002 - 02:22.

Hey guys, don't you think it might be kinda nice to have a hall of fame for articals like this one? They could have it so that if a site stays in the "Highest Rated Articles " list for a certian ammount of consecutive weeks, it gets honered by beeing put in the hall of fame.

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A great article

Submitted by asso on February 15, 2002 - 03:41.

I saw the whole article and especially the comments especially very enlightening. I'm faced with a client performed content update situation myself, but due to the small sized company environment - multi million dollar cms:s simply aren't an option. Thus I delved into the opensource versions at sourceforge. During my search I discovered that the situation is slightly problematic, descriptions were more like ads than explanations of the hindrances and capabilities of said systems. Could someone knowledgeable in the matters make a review in the area and possibilities of making a cms based site content management system using an open source developements? E.g. what are the practical implications of using a non-xml based application etc.

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Open-source CMS

Submitted by MartinB on February 16, 2002 - 14:58.

Hi Asso

If Open Source is important to you, then you could do worse than take a look at Zope. There are also lots of third-party add-ons which do many of the common tasks you might want for a CMS.

While XML is good, useful and gives you lots of flexibility for the future, it depends on what you need for your system. If your system doesn't particularly need to integrate with other systems, you might be able to get away with not using it. However, if the CMS of choice outputs to a template (and it should) it shouldn't be too hard to throw out an XML version of content.

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Total Content

Submitted by jelmer on October 13, 2002 - 05:20.

Talking about CMS seems to be mostly pinned down to text and graphic content. For sure text and graphics are most used in all web sites, but since customers (web site owners) desire more and more interactivity and extended possibilities within their web sites our company believed that the time had come to not just create a CMS application but extend this with additional modules like guestbook, message board, chat, eCommerce, web poll, news letters, statistics, etc. all managed within one web based application. Besides easy editing we think and experience from clients that they highly appreciate that they are able to maintain and extend their web site by means of just one effortable environment. Beotela's Web Studio offers these possibilities. Besides the above mentioned features Beotela also has the opinion that the Internet for most companies is mostly used for marketing purposes. In some cases this requiers more then the basic functions of a CMS, example is for instance how to get content / catalog (shop) from one retailor in multiple web sites (Channeling Concept). Based on this demand from current customers like Siemens Netherlands we a Channel Module has been developed. Based on the succes of use and expanding client list relating to channeling the next version of this in Web Studio integrated system will be launched in November 2002 for our latest client AKZO Nobel Belgium.

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Blatant and ineffective plug

Submitted by MartinB on October 13, 2002 - 10:46.

Any half-way decent CMS can handle many types of digital asset, including the text, graphics and simple data which just about all of your examples use. (although how you'd propose to content manage live chat - other than archiving it, in which case it's simple document management - would be an interesting question). I can use (free) addons to the (free) CMS I use on my site to provide all that functionality and more.

Syndicating content between (which is what your touted Channel Concept is about) is also pretty trivial for most general purpose CMSs - Allaire Spectra had it natively some 3 years ago, and RSS/RDF is non-complex to code for.

So if you're intending to give your application a blatant plug, please at least claim some functionality which isn't the basic functionality required to get you onto the ballpark, although I'd very much prefer it if you added something of value to the discussion instead.

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CMS for online job markets

Submitted by begiblea on January 28, 2003 - 09:29.

I agree it is a very goog article, but I missed some examples which are for specific areas. So can anyone tell me if there are some good content managment systems which are suitable for online job markets. Thank you for your help

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What to look for...

Submitted by gkep on February 19, 2003 - 17:08.

My company has been through an extensive selection process for a corporate CMS and found that there aren't many CMSs that are both flexbile and easy to use.

Having said this I can recommend this content management system which has a great UI and is very reasonably priced too.

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very reasonably priced

Submitted by minivip on March 26, 2003 - 15:27.

A more precise range of prices would have been helpful. I found no price at the datalink website, and that's not very user-friendly.

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Flexible and easy to use

Submitted by MartinB on March 28, 2003 - 08:49.

gkep

Most large CMSs are both flexible and can be made easy to use for any given audience. For most non-vertical solutions (ie general purpose CMS), you can make them whatever you like for your needs. Don't like the way it looks/works? Change it. If you're buying a large CMS for corporate use, you're going to be paying people to customise anyway.

As far as prices go, you'll only ever get indicative ones, which are the equivalent of a hotel's rack rate. Any half-way decent implementor such as my own employer should be able to negotiate better pricing than anything publically released.

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Flexible and easy to use

Submitted by gkep on March 31, 2003 - 12:39.

MartinB

It was one thing to have the frontend customised but we felt it was unecessary to invest time and money into making the administrative interface usable for non-developers. In our minds, this would of involved forking the established codebase and making future upgrades costly.

Freestyler was easy enough for our general office staff to use but flexible enough (in a modular fashion) to allow customisation of functionality without breaking the bank or forking the code. The other thing we liked about Freestyler was the way it seperated content from presentation, was platform and database independent and generally assured us of "forward compatibility".

But I guess in the end everyone will have different requirements and should choose accordingly; my post was merely in the hope of saving people time in looking for a CMS that worked for us.

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redistribution of costs

Submitted by minivip on April 13, 2003 - 02:04.

MartinB
> equivalent of a hotel's rack rate.
A nice analogy. But besides the price for the CMS I have to pay for the implementation. Possibly a redistribution of costs ;-)

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Implementation Costs

Submitted by MartinB on April 13, 2003 - 23:53.

Indeed, but that's true for any complex system being introduced to an existing environment - the license costs of the software are generally the cheap bit.

Implementing the technology is also relatively easy, compared to the work that will be needed on the host organisation's processes and organisation - see the definition for PSO in my Project Management Glossary.

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The best one. Open source, free and good = Phpnuke

Submitted by mmariusel on June 13, 2003 - 07:40.

http://www.phpcms.de
http://www.typo3.com
http://www.zope.org/
http://www.pansite.de/
http://www.gauss.de/
http://www.vignette.com/
http://www.reddot.de/
http://www.phpnuke.org/

Here is a list of 8 CMS. I am doing now a reasearch for my firma for finding a sollution for our intranet. The project was started with small requirements but I have propose to use a CMS.

My favorite one is off-course PHP-Nuke and open source system. Free, fast and well done in my opinion.

What you need in prcatice you have it in phpnuke. All above points pointed in the article you can find them there and a lot more. This a lot MORE means infact the modules. There is a huge community developing modules. I have done this deveoping by myself also. So basiclly if you want a SHOPING system you can find it as addon in 10 minutes. Or Gallery, or Calendar etc. If you want to see an exemple you can take a look at my website :
www.mmariusel.net

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very direct..

Submitted by patty on January 11, 2004 - 05:52.

hey there! im an IT student in need of great help in developing a CMS as my thesis.. what crash courses do i need to take? thnx!

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another q..

Submitted by patty on January 11, 2004 - 05:58.

how much does it cost to hire an amateur CMS developer? what is the going rate? thnx again!

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More information found at www.Contentmanager.net

Submitted by ElCamelot on March 10, 2004 - 02:48.

Hello,

thanks for the great and useful article. For those who are more interested in detailed information on content management i suggest to visit: www.contentmanager.net

There I found lots of know-how, cms-market-overviews and product comparisons all for free :-)

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for patty

Submitted by mmariusel on April 26, 2004 - 13:48.

for patty who asked:how much does it cost to hire an amateur CMS developer? what is the going rate? thnx again! You can contact me on developer@fastlink2.com for more information.

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