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HomeSite 5: Time for an Upgrade?

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Christian MacAuley

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I have had very few conversations with other web people about HomeSite. It almost seems invisible in the web community, yet I've found it installed on the computers of many, many web professionals. How does it get there? Did we buy it, download it, pirate it, crack it, did it ride in alongside Dreamweaver or some other power app? However it arrived, it's here and many of us are using it.

But will we buy new version? Decide for yourself.

HomeSite 5 was officially released on October 23rd under the Macromedia brand name, without a lot of fanfare. It comes with some notable changes, of which I'm going to highlight just a few.

Selected Changes

  • Integrated XHTML Support
  • The "Secondary Files tab"
  • Automatic Backup
  • No more stinkin' "Design View"
  • "Folder Deployment"

Integrated XHTML Support

This sounds great, but I wasn't sold in practice. It allows me to create a "New XHTML Document" whose DOCTYPE is set to the correct XHTML DTD, but doesn't automatically validate my code as I type. Pressing SHIFT+F6 to validate my code with the validator I selected in my Settings however, still works just fine.

The "Secondary Files tab"

This is HomeSite's name for a second file explorer tab that you can use to access files across multiple directories, drives, or FTP & RDS hosts, at the same time. This is great for those of us who work on many things at once or who just don't keep everything organized in one location. It shouldn't be a revolutionary idea, but it's one that I haven't seen in many programs. Maybe in future versions they'll allow us to open as many Secondary Files tabs as we'd like.

Automatic Backup

Even though (CTRL+S) I compulsively (CTRL+S) save my work (CTRL+S) I appreciate (CTRL+S) any program (CTRL+S) that backs (CTRL+S) it up for me (CTRL+S) automatically. HomeSite 5 backs up any file that HomeSite has edited in it's program folder by default, but you can turn it off or customize it in the Settings any time. HomeSite will assist you in recovering your files later, if need be. And that's all it will do. If you want your whole web site to be periodically downloaded and backed up on a different computer (which is also a good idea) then you need to try a different program or talk to your web host.

No More Stinkin' "Design View"

Well, I'm really sorry if you were one of the five people who were actually using HomeSite's "Design View", but it's gone now. I always regarded this "feature" as a real nuisance, something that I would mistakenly click when trying to preview a page. I would then be confronted with an error message that warns me my HTML will be rewritten [badly]. Then I would have to click the "Of Course Not" button and it was all a big waste of time. In short, I'm glad it's gone.

However, the fact that no one mentioned the feature drop caused me to have concern for the aforementioned five poor souls who were actually using the feature, so I looked into why they dropped it. It turns out that it relied on a Microsoft based control for which support was dropped. Did they tell anyone? It was documented in the release notes, apparently. As if anyone reads those!

Folder Deployment

Macromedia is pitching this as a feature that is best for beginners, but I say it's a great feature for anyone who is too busy or lazy (or both) to take the time to upload many individual files. It allows you to upload an entire folder onto the web without leaving HomeSite, something that was awkward to do in previous versions.

A More Stable Program?

If you are thinking of upgrading for the sole reason of getting rid of HomeSite's cryptic error messages, don't bother. It looks like they're here to stay in HomeSite 5. However, in the month that I've been using HomeSite 5 for my HTML and PHP development, it hasn't yet crashed once, which is a certainly fewer times than version 4.5 would have.

Will You Upgrade?

HomeSite really is a good program for being as powerful as you want it to be. I've never found it lacking in anything that I've wanted it for, be it syntax highlighting, spell checking, finding and replacing, or image map creating. It can't, however, be as little as you want it to be. If you were happiest using Notepad or Vi over a terminal with absolutely no frills then you don't need the extra confusion of all the other features that HomeSite has to offer.

In the end, a person needs to decide what kind of HomeSite user they are to figure out whether an upgrade is worth their time and money. If you're only using HomeSite because Notepad doesn't support CTRL-S for saving files, then don't bother. However, if you're like me and you like to use the myriad of features that HomeSite offers including Site Management and FTP support, then new features might be just what you need to save a little bit of time on your web projects.

the Details
Price Links
Full Version: $99 USD
Upgrade Version: $29

Macromedia HomeSite Web Site
CNET Review of HomeSite 5
Allaire Support on the Missing Design View

what i'd really like

Submitted by volume12 on October 31, 2001 - 04:00.

without wanting to turn this into a feature request column for homesite, there are two things i'd really like to see added to homesite -both related.

one is a feature that displays a dotted line, connecting the curly braces in e.g. PHP code inside your document (you can see this already in ActiveState's Komodo)

second is a soft-indent; like you have soft-wrap, at the right end of the page, MM might consider adding a soft indent to the left side of the page --i know, i know, if i turn word wrap off, i have what i want, but i'd rather have both at the same time

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Cold Fusion Studio?

Submitted by djc on October 31, 2001 - 09:40.

Are they looking to merge Homesite and Studio into one product now? It sounds like a lot of what used to be exclusive to Studio is found in Homesite now, and in the past, when they've upgraded one of the products, they've upgraded them both... Haven't heard anything about Studio 5 yet myself, anyone else? Oh, and nice review! :)

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Why spend the money?

Submitted by maxgruv on October 31, 2001 - 11:16.

I use the freeware text editor, HTML-Kit, for all my coding in Windows. I've never used Homesite, but from the article it doesn't sound any better. HTML-Kit allows you to preview, upload files, validate, and Tidy your code without leaving the app. It's also the most configurable program I've ever seen, and has a bungload of plug-ins available.

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HomeSite 5, Cold Fusion Studio, and HTML-Kit

Submitted by jellhead on October 31, 2001 - 12:57.

I don't use Cold Fusion or Cold Fusion Studio, but it seems to me that HomeSite is pretty much "Cold Fusion Studio Lite". At least it's good for lots of other things, too.

I don't think that Macromedia will try to merge the two into one product because there is a rather large part of the market that only wants an HTML editor and won't throw in the extra bucks for Cold Fusion Studio. None of my press contacts at Macromedia mentioned such plans.

I have tried HTML-Kit out a few times. It's a good program and costs 100% less. One thing it's lacking is Project management, but a lot of people don't use that anyway. Besides the price tag, I didn't see any reason to actually switch from HomeSite to the HTML-Kit because each has its own learning curve, but people who haven't tried either might be better off going with the freeware alternative.

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Table rendering trouble

Submitted by gander on October 31, 2001 - 13:03.

I upgraded to HS 5 and started working on a simple table--very simple. The internal browser funked up the alignment and the funky alignment carried over to the external browser (IE 5.5). The code was perfectly valid, but it seemed not to matter.

Next I fired up HS 4.5 and loaded the exact same file and it worked perfectly. Wonder. So I went back to HS 5 and got the same funky results.

To this day I don't know what the problem was or if I caused it. No matter, I'm back to developing in HS 4.5.

Anyone else run into similar problems?

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HomeSite, CFStudio...

Submitted by anj on October 31, 2001 - 14:14.

Homesite, CF Studio, and JRun Studio are all built from the same codebase (written in Delphi, as I understand). CF Studio adds additional functionality specific to ColdFusion development. JRun Studio adds JSP-specific functionality.

Yes, Macromedia has built CF Studio 5 as well -- I was on the beta for the product, and have been running it for a while. I do note that Macromedia doesn't list it as a discrete product now (instead they're trying to bundle it with UltraDev... big mistake IMO). However, if you work your way through the site, you're able to select a purchase or upgrade of CFStudio by itself.

Unfortunately, they don't seem to have fixed the places where CFStudio really needed work -- the debugger, the project interface, etc. They chose instead to through in a few small features (all the things jellhead listed for HomeSite), without any major additions.

CF Studio 5 seems not so much a new version as a minor update of CF Studio 4.5. [I'd have been tempted to title it CF Studio 4.6, but I'm sure they wanted to keep the Studio and Server versions in sync.] If you're a CFStudio 4.5 user, and just want the online help functionality updated to CFServer 5, that's available off the CFServer5 CD, or as a free download at Allaire's site.

Honestly, I wonder if CFStudio (and HomeSite) are nearing the point where Macromedia kills them... like they did to Spectra.

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Better for PHP?

Submitted by reywob on October 31, 2001 - 14:25.

Does Homesite 5 have any additions on the PHP editing front? I gave up using 4.5 in the end 'cause it crashed too often, and went over to using PHPEdit to write my PHP scripts in - brilliant for that, just don't use it to write HTML, Perl etc... it's just not desined for them. More details at http://www.phpedit.net

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HomeSite, CFStudio, and JRun Killed?

Submitted by Danilo on October 31, 2001 - 18:49.

Well, Macromedia just killed Kawa (damn, did I just buy that? I DID!), and I gave up on any WYSIWYG tool years ago. HomeSite and JRun Studio are nice packages that allow for lots of customization -- and for me customization is everything -- but my preferred editor-du-jour is CoffeeCup ( I like the "Snippets" as I do a lot of JSP TagLib stuff and it allows for some nice customization -- has some dumb extras that are easily deletable), although I am going to give HTML-Kit a try as well and see what they've got...

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Is that it?

Submitted by sam-i-am on November 1, 2001 - 10:30.

I've yet to try 5 out, but on the basis of this article at least I'm not sure I'll bother. I've followed homesite through it's releases since 1.something. I skipped 3.* .. but 4.0 and then 4.5.1 were great upgrades in terms of functionality and stability - activescript keyboard shortcuts, code collapsing (if only I could script that too...).
Nothing mentioned here seems worth a download .. let alone $30 bucks. The death of design mode has to be a good thing.. but it would be even cooler if they just put dreamweaver up there. Imagine.. dreamweaver with sensible open-document management (shift tab)!

I presume this 5.0 release is stuff Allaire already had in the pipeline before they were purchased. I alternately look forward to and dread 6.0. Do we get the dream editor.. or just twice the clutter and bloat?

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HS for Linux

Submitted by nitramoc on November 1, 2001 - 18:16.

When I am in windows all I use is HS4, its bar none the best for editing php files and great project manager. I just wish there a was a port of it to Linux. Only nice PHP Syntax highlighting app in linux that I like is glimmer, but missing a few key features. Bring HomeSite to Linux and I will pay whatever it takes.

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Windows 98

Submitted by Spyder on November 1, 2001 - 22:32.

I've always loved homesite but since 4.5, I've had problems with it eating my system resources and crashing a lot (something 4.0 never used to do). It has some awesome features and I've had a hard time finding something that even comes close to replacing it. Edit Plus is cool but doesn't quite make it... PHP Edit is getting much nicer... HTML-Kit seems to chew up resources... I wish homesite could just be nice and stable. I think a lot of my problems are related to windows so I'm making the move to XP and hopefully will not have these problems. On win2k, HS 5 seems to run just fine :)

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Spyder...

Submitted by reywob on November 2, 2001 - 02:53.

Well, let us know if XP cures the problems... if so then I may move, even though I don't agree with some of the features M$ has imposed...

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XP...

Submitted by Spyder on November 2, 2001 - 06:45.

Sure thing... I'll see how it goes. I have already talked to someone with XP and Homesite 5 and they said it runs very nicely. Also, since XP is based on a lot of Win2K stuff, I have a feeling that XP will run Homesite as well or better than win2k.

I've done a lot of reading lately about XP and while some features might not be too great, M$ has apparently come up with a winner... If you don't like a lot of the settings then you can change them. It certainly is better than the dodgy windows 9x that I've put up with for so long...

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HomeSite 5

Submitted by mpgnet on November 9, 2001 - 10:39.

I've loved HomeSite the last three years I've been working with it but haven't moved to the HomeSite 5 yet. It seems that some of the features are worth my $30 but I just haven't had $30 to go with it yet. I do plan on making that upgrade soon, I also plan on making an upgrade from Windows 2000 to Windows XP soon. I went to the XP launch and was very impressed. One thing is I would like to see Macromedia take the HomeSite to the Mac platform. I will be getting a Mac. G4 laptop soon and hope by that time I can buy HomeSite for it. If not, will have to work with a differnet program on my laptop then I do the desk top.

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Dubious value... more like Homesite 4.6

Submitted by street on November 12, 2001 - 21:08.

Homesite 5 is much more stable than its predecessors, and for that reason Macromedia got my $30. However I am always unhappy to pay for an upgrade that does little more than improve the performance of existing features. Its no use repeating many of the highly requested features that have been posted in the 4.0 timeframe, they are already well documented on various forums. Its just frustrating that not one of the significant features requested were delivered. most of which I'de gladly have paid a much higher upgrade price for. Homesite smells of a product that is about to be replaced. I really can't belive no one else is complaining about this?

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I was hoping for more...

Submitted by CTMiller on November 17, 2001 - 08:17.

Like street, I cannot stand paying for improvements on the same system. Make it a bug fix, not a new release. I'd like to thanks jellhead for his review, and I have been trying to figure out whether or not HS5 would be worth it.

Just a quick word on maxgruv's post about HTML-Kit: After reading his post I downloaded it, and man, I really like it. I've been a die-hard HS user since 3.0, but I may be switching to HTML-Kit full time. More versitle than HS, it seems, with better FTP stability than HS 4.5.2. Missing projects (or I just haven't found them yet). Well worth checking out.

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Homesite on the mac

Submitted by atravers on November 19, 2001 - 09:06.

In response to mpgnet's post above, I'm assuming Macromedia are unlikely to take Homesite on to the Mac platform due to the dominance of BBEdit. Following on from street's comments, I know that there *are* indeed concerned voices being raised about the development of Homesite - http://hshelp.com/ contains a pretty lengthy explanation of why Macromedia is making some serious mistakes with the product. Promoting it as a beginners tool really is such a fundamental misunderstanding of how web developers work, and I'd have expected better of Macromedia.

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Homesite for development teams

Submitted by pa010 on November 19, 2001 - 11:34.

All 4 members of the deisgn team at my work use Homesite and have done since version 3, however, I'm unsure as to whether we'll bother moving to 5. I can forsee the more graphical in the team moving to Dreamweaver while those who work with PHP integration depending more and more on Vi or emacs.

We stopped using the FTP functions as they were just too buggy and I have never used the project management tools. Don't really see the need when i use MS Project.

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Yes spend the money It's worth it.

Submitted by maze on March 3, 2002 - 12:18.

I have been using this product since V2.0 when Nick Bradbury was writing it. It was ahead of the pack then and it’s still blazing a trail. Since I first used it I have personally bought (for my clients) over 80 copies of various versions of Homesite. I continue to use it today and have just purchased additional licenses to upgrade my team myself and to version 5.

I’ve tried allot of other different editors as well. Some freeware stuff like the Homesite knock off, SpiderWriter, close but no cigar. I’ve also tried Visual Interdev, no thanks! Interdev is, if not the most difficult to use, certainly not user friendly and you can forget about any sort of user customization like “snippets” or adding in your own customized shortcut bars for apps and code blocks.

They (Macromedia and Allaire) have done a great job in the crossover and consolidation of the product and I don't think I've found any issues to complain about given the scope of that task. There could be far more to complain about but there just isn't.

I think Homesite (including V5) is one of the most feature rich apps available today. It’s flexible, customizable and just plain easy to use. It's not perfect! There is no such thing as perfect. You always want something more. That's what version and updates are for.

My vote....
Buy it you won't regret it.

/\/\aze

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HomeSite version 5.2 update

Submitted by jwilkinson on January 20, 2003 - 15:28.

You all might be interested in a couple of things.

1) Macromedia just released updates to version 5.2. They seem to be free for HS 5 owners. Find release notes and updaters at HomeSite Downloads.

2) For those of you looking to extend Homesite for better PHP, ASP and ASP.Net coding, check out my ASP4HS/PHP4HS site, where I list a great many add-on's that help users extend HS.

Enjoy,
Jeff Wilkinson, jwilkinson@mail.com
Team Macromedia Volunteer for HomeSite

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