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Vedran Jukic

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When you're working commercially, being great at what you do is about 25% of the task. Too many times I see the sad example of someone walking in to a situation with noble intentions and then getting royally screwed, because what they see as an opportunity and a labor of love, the other party sees as something else entirely, not at all romantic or idealized, but raw and simple.

You are going to be dealing with people who are unlike yourself. Their motivations are their own and their attitudes are probably different than yours. When you're in education, you may have tough teachers and think that it can't be worse, but wait until a business person has a hundred grand riding on your work! Then you will know what demanding means.

This list wasn't meant to make anyone crazy or paranoid, but is designed to inject some reality into the fantasy.

1. Do this one cheap (or free) and we'll make it up on the next one.

No reputable business person would first give away their work and time or merchandise on the hope of making it up later. Can you imagine what a plumber would say if you said come in, provide and install the sink for free and next time we'll make it up when we need a sink. You would be laughed at! Also the likelyhood is that if something important came along, they wouldn't use you.

2. We never pay a cent until we see the final product.

This is a croc, unless the person is leaving the door open to cheat you out of your pay. Virtually every profession requres a deposit or incremental payment during anything but the smallest project. Once you have a working relationship, you may work out another arrangement with a client. But a new client should not ask you to go beyond an initial meeting and, perhaps some preliminary sketches without pay on the job.

3. Do this for us and you'll get great exposure! The jobs will just pour in!

Baloney. Tell a plumber Install this sink and my friend will see and you'll get lots of business! Our plumber friend would say You mean even if I do a good job I have to give my work away to get noticed? Then it isn't worth the notice. Also the guy would likely brag to everyone he knows about how this would normally cost (X) dollars, but brilliant businessman that he is he got if for free! If anyone calls, they'll expect the same or better deal.

4. On looking at sketches or concepts: Well, we aren't sure if we want to use you yet, but leave your material here so I can talk to my partner/investor/wife/clergy.

You can be sure that 15 minutes after you leave he will be on the phone to other designers, now with concepts in hand, asking for price quotes. When you call back you will be informed that your prices were too high and Joe Blow Design/Illustration will be doing the job. Why shouldn't they be cheaper? You just gave them hours of free consulting work! Until you have a deal, leave nothing creative at the clients office.

5. Well, the job isn't CANCELLED, just delayed. Keep the account open and we'll continue in a month or two.

Ummm, probably not. If something is hot, then not, it could be dead. It would be a mistake to not bill for work performed at this point and then let the chips fall where they may! Call in two months and someone else may be in that job. And guess what? They don't know you at all...

6. Contract? We don't need no stinking contact! Aren't we friends?

Yes, we are, until something goes wrong or is misunderstood, then you are the jerk in the suit and I am that idiot designer, then the contract is essential. That is, unless one doesn't care about being paid. Any reputable business uses paperwork to define relationships and you should too.

7. Send me a bill after the work goes to press.

Why wait for an irrelevant deadline to send an invoice? You stand behind your work, right? You are honest, right? Why would you feel bound to this deadline? Once you deliver the work and it is accepted, BILL IT. This point may just be a delaying tactic so the job goes through the printer prior to any question of your being paid. If the guy waits for the job to be printed, and you do changes as necessary, then he can stiff you and not take a chance that he'll have to pay someone else for changes.

8. The last guy did it for XXX dollars.

That is irrelevant. If the last guy was so good they wouldn't be talking to you, now would they? And what that guy charged means nothing to you, really. People who charge too little for their time go out of business (or self-destruct financially, or change occupations) and then someone else has to step in. Set a fair price and stick to it.

9. Our budget is XXX dollars, firm.

Amazing, isn't it? This guy goes out to buy a car, and what, knows exactly what he is going to spend before even looking or researching? Not likely. A certain amount of work costs a certain amount of money. If they have less money (and you can), do less work and still take the job. But make sure they understand that you are doing less work if you take less money that you originally estimated. Give fewer comps, simplify, let them go elsewhere for services (like films) etc.

10. We are having financial problems. Give us the work, we'll make some money and we'll pay you. Simple.

Yeah, except when the money comes, you can expect that you will be pretty low on the list to be paid. If someone reaches the point where they admit that the company is in trouble, then they are probably much worse off than they are admitting to. Even then, are you a bank? Are you qualified to check out their financials? If the company is strapped to the point where credit is a problem through credit agencies, banks etc. what business would you have extending credit to them. You have exactly ZERO pull once they have the work. Noble intentions or not, this is probably a losing bet. But if you are going to roll the dice, AT LEAST you should be getting additional money for waiting. The bank gets interest and so should you. That is probably why the person is approaching you; to get six months worth of free interest instead of paying bank rates for credit and then paying you with that money. Don't give away money.

In the end, working commercially, being great at what you do is about 25% of the task. If that is the only part of the task that you are interested in, do yourself a favor. Don't turn "pro."

Proffesional graphic/web designer from Croatia

Contracts and budgets

Submitted by persist1 on February 5, 2007 - 18:29.

Many years ago, as I was burning out on a disastrous account, the morning I planned to terminate the relationship my horoscope quoted a 19th Century aphorism: "Verbal contracts are worth the paper they're written on." THAT was all the further encouragement I needed.

As for budget, I don't believe it's so far-fetched that a client will insist on a frozen budget; if they're doing like all of the consultants advise, they're dividing their period expenditures into proportions per business task, based on some coefficient of the numbers from this-time-last-year.

When met with that challenge, it's the designer's job to maintain backbone and prioritize (on the basis of the findings from the assessment) what can be done with that money.

...And unless I'm intending some sort of informal/ad-hoc arrangement, my stock answer to small business clients is "$x per hour, and if you need to ask, you probably can't afford it." I hate that, but it's the most effective way to ensure - especially if you do assessments for free - that a small biz client's got their pennies saved before they start talking with you in earnest.

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so true ...

Submitted by thecatat on February 6, 2007 - 01:23.

We started Creative Latitude and NO!SPEC for those reasons and more. On NO!SPEC we compiled everything we could on the subject of working on the speculation of getting a fair return. Sure, there are grey areas. But it's up to the individual designer to decide for themselves on what they'll do. Or not. For whatever. Our aim was to make sure the information was available so the decision could be an informed one. cat

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Scope Creep

Submitted by Brad Henry on February 8, 2007 - 16:12.

One of the biggest issues I have seen and should probably be on the list above is Scope Creep. Many times when you begin a project you will create the scope and pricing based on that. Then as you get into the project you find out that the client wants this or that which he thinks should be included in the project when in reality it is not defined in the scope. This will cost you time and money. When creating a scope, be careful to explain that the project only includes what is defined in the scope to a narrow degree and that any additions or adjustments will have to be calculated and the scope along with pricing will have to be adjusted. By establishing this upfront, you should not have any issues raising cost if the client changes his demands or tries to tack on last minute things.
Thanks,
Brad Henry

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Spot on Henry. We all made

Submitted by cianuro on February 9, 2007 - 16:18.

Spot on Henry. We all made that mistake when we started out but it still sometimes happens to us (Although only mimimally). In a service oriented industry, especially ours, it's still sometimes tough to educate clients on how seriously we take ourselves. Also, regarding the 3. Do this for us and you'll get great exposure! The jobs will just pour in!, the most exposure comes from clients who care about the job being done right. If they have the nerve to think they can fob you off like this, in our experience, they are not worth it. Dave Davis

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excelent picks...

Submitted by amirbilal on February 12, 2007 - 12:51.

these are all really good findings.

"Do this one cheap (or free) and we'll make it up on the next one."
This really happens a lot of times when you find a company which is new in the business.

Sometimes people go beyond the limits and do things to the extent that they sound like totally non-professionals. They just try to work as they are paying the developer/designer for doing nothing.

One more interesting thing is that, I have encountered some people who would say: "you would already have News, Advertisements and other similar modules ready with you so its going to take just a little amount of time" and then trying to convince me that I shouldn't count these modules in the cost estimation :D

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Agree with this post.

Submitted by Harvey Kane on February 12, 2007 - 21:57.

Agree with this post. I think a lot of us started out with these sorts of clients, and still do deal with them. You need to be confident in what you do so you can turn down these kinds of jobs.

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The rules

Submitted by davidfsmith on February 22, 2007 - 22:04.

A friend of mine uses a great pitch as an argument for some of these....
You can have 2 out of 3

- You can have it fast
- You can have it cheap
- You can have it right

So the client can have it fast and cheap (but not right) or cheap and right (but not fast) it gets the point across well, failing that in business if it doesn't feel right then it probably isn't

Oh and certainly agree with #4 seen it happen loads of times (not in the same company!)
Regards
Dave

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RE: The Rules

Submitted by misterjangles on February 25, 2007 - 20:19.

I think the saying goes: Cost, Speed or Quality - you can only have two of three three. (ie, you can only compromise on one). Cost as in low cost to get the work done, speed as in the speed the work gets done and quality, as in "done right" which you said.

Clients will typically start off wanting both speed and cost. so the challenge is to educate them that they can't have both. If they won't budge, then it's often a red flag that this will be a difficult client.

However, that's not to say that you shouldn't take a project if they are willing to compromise on one of the points. I have some great clients with low budgets, but they are OK if I don't deliver the work until three months later. These are excellent clients for filling your schedule and keeping your billed hours up at the max.

Also a client that wants something really fast, but is willing to pay your "rush" rate - those can be very disruptive to your schedule, but sometimes it's worth it for an injection of cash. We all have our price!

If a client wants to compromise on quality, they'll never understand what this truly means and you probably will wind up paying the cost to fix the problems that arise. I will only take a project like this if it's billed as hourly labor with no agreement about deliverables.

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Good list, nice work ;)

Submitted by MichaelS on April 1, 2007 - 14:46.

Good list, nice work ;)

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I've been working with

Submitted by EngrTun on April 10, 2007 - 23:26.

I've been working with freelancers as 'client'; I don't think the list above is all true.

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Oh, by the way...

Submitted by Marcel Feenstra on April 20, 2007 - 10:23.

Somewhat similar to the issue brought up by Brad Henry: clients who call you or send e-mails (preferably after business hours or during weekends) to ask you these small, innocent questions... Nothing you can charge them for, really --after all, it only takes you about three minutes to send them an answer; and isn't Great Customer Service one of the things that sets you apart from your competitors?

The client's happy (or so you assume), you're happy (for having done Good Deeds) --and then, at the end of the year, the client tells you that he's not going to renew the contract because he has found someone "who can do the job at a lower price." Grrrr...

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And we are not as guilty?

Submitted by espmartin on May 3, 2007 - 02:30.

I've noticed a tendency to point our fingers at the client, but if we're to be honest, sometimes we as the "web guys" are just as guilty as that client! I mean, I've heard colleagues state to their clients, "Oh yeah, I can do that within your timeframe!". I could go on and on, but my main point is that we should "look to the beam in our own eyes before we point and pick at the thorn in our clients eyes"... Best Regards, Martin E.

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Dutch translation

Submitted by Marcel Feenstra on May 7, 2007 - 13:48.

The Dutch translation of this article ("De top-10 leugens die klanten vertellen") has been published, with the author's permission, on Ondernemingen.com, a site for SME in The Netherlands and Belgium: While the article deals primarily with graphic and web designers, it contains ideas that can be useful for other professionals as well!

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Get a signed contract

Submitted by denisehaze on May 9, 2007 - 18:29.

I think as long you have a signed contract you would not have to worry about 9 out of ten of these lies becoming truths.

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Get atleast half upfront

Submitted by selena on May 10, 2007 - 18:04.

I agree with you Denise getting a signed contract would stop alot of these lies. But I like to have my money upfront or atleast half now and half when the project is finished. Selena

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Excellent list

Submitted by joenemeth on May 28, 2007 - 21:37.

11. We'll pay you less than you are asking and make it up as royalties on the product.
That never works out as well as you hope. General rule-of-thumb: the sales guys always over-estimate by a factor of 10. If you base your royalty compensation on their estimates, even for a slam-dunk product, you'll get a dime on the dollar. Here's a trick: front-load the royalties. Tell them that they need to pay you 100% of the difference on the first 10% of the sales, and then ask for only 10% of what they were offering on all the rest of the sales. Because they are asking you to take on risk, they will probably have offered you significantly more than your asking price "in the long run." (If they didn't, just walk away). So it will work out much better for them if they actually make their promised sales volumes, and if they make more than 10% of their estimated sales, it works out better for you. But never lower your base rate by more than 30% under any conditions, on the promise of vast wealth when their product "takes off."

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You live and learn

Submitted by t4tw on June 22, 2007 - 21:47.

Similarly like some guys here I loved the sharp observant eye of the author of this article. Shame that one can encounter the forementioned techniques on the daily basis, but it is so true. Because I consider the article a worthy one I have decided to make it accessible for Polish users to read it in their own language version in order to enlighten themselves a bit:) ("<a href="http://www.t4tw.info/artykuly/10-klamstw.html" rel="nofollow">10 najpopularniejszych kłamstw klientów</a>") It can be found on www.t4tw.info a site dealing with language accesibility, standards etc.
Cheers!

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In dutch we have a saying

Submitted by udovandijke on July 22, 2007 - 14:32.

Wil try to translate the saying :
Only a donkey hits his head twice,

I believe your article to be very rich and worthy one so i will translate it to dutch and publish it on bedrijvengids myoffice so my dutch visitors will be able to learn from your wise words. Thanks for the input

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Wow

Submitted by David Eaves on August 5, 2007 - 00:19.

I can see you have put some real thought into this article and you have raised some valid points, I will definitely bare it in mind in the future.

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german translation

Submitted by Guido Marc on August 6, 2007 - 18:30.

I also love the sharp tongue of the author of this article, unfortunately his words are true and everybody in business has to keep in mind these words. This article is so good, that I have decided to make it accessible for German users to read it in a german language version (Top10 Lügen von Kunden) on www.100ct.de, a language accessibility and standardisation site.

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Thank you for that

Submitted by Avsh Interactive on August 22, 2007 - 20:52.

It will be much easier to understand Danke!

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Clients Undervalue Work

Submitted by influence_master on August 24, 2007 - 02:24.

Sometimes I get miffed when clients say "all you did was a drawing and slap on some fancy flash and you're charging $$$$??" My staff gets this a lot from folks who can't tell the difference between cute html and the darling rosebud growing out back. To this I like to answer (especially if he's a doc setting up a website)- "and how many years of tution did it take you to prescribe ibuprofen for the sniffle??" Folks need to see the value of different specialized trade!

Joseph Plazo is recognized persuasion expert ... but can't persuade his business partners and clients to leave him alone.

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ok thanks good comment .i

Submitted by magstudios on August 27, 2007 - 07:04.

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Good site

Submitted by Martino on August 28, 2007 - 22:26.

I enjoyed reading your article and you raised some really good points. Keep up the good work!

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Yup- so do I. But we need

Submitted by influence_master on September 2, 2007 - 05:33.

Yup- so do I. But we need fresh articles. Many are pre-2005!!

Joseph Plazo is recognized persuasion expert ... but can't persuade his business partners and clients to leave him alone.

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I like this one the best

Submitted by franko on September 8, 2007 - 12:56.

I like this one the best
6. Contract? We don't need no stinking contact! Aren't we friends? Yes, we are, until something goes wrong or is misunderstood, then you are the jerk in the suit and I am that idiot designer, then the contract is essential. That is, unless one doesn't care about being paid. Any reputable business uses paperwork to define relationships and you should too. Many times I have been caught out with this one myself - nice to see someone else actually saying this too !
Fact about this author - Franko is a self confessed Rita Simons obsessive and watches eastenders just to see her ! :)

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Start-ups and profit share

Submitted by Chris Boswell on September 19, 2007 - 17:33.

The one I seem to be plagued with is the scenario where a start up approaches you wanting SEO or web design, but wants to enlist your help for delayed future benefits such as profit share, a place on his phantom board of directors or some such. At first I took a lot of these quite seriously but eventually I got sick of seeing a fatal flaw in their product, expected return on investment or seeing a dire lack of research. I'm not a business analyst and I don't want to be a business analyst so these days all these offers get a resounding 'no', before I even bother looking at them. Some of these guys can be quite pushy as well, but I think the best advice to give them is to backup their business venture with cold hard cash if they are so assured of success. I'm not a great fan of VC capital but if I had a surefire business plan and no money that's where I'd go.

Anyway, if a project is big enough to split into stages, then these are the payment stages and that should be made clear in project documentation - as Franko mentions, paperwork is crucial.

There are also a number of things you can do to help make payment more likely and more timely - I use pdf invoices with a paypal payment button programmed in, so that payment is often pretty instantaneous, and then there's the commonsense strategy of stipulating payment on completion rather than upon going live or implementing. This way no pay, no product. Like everyone else, I have my late payers, but some of the strategies I use really do help to limit them.

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I am a freelancer and know

Submitted by Mike1 on October 1, 2007 - 15:44.

I am a freelancer and know that many of the above points are 100% true. Mike

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Greetings

Submitted by jashua01 on October 1, 2007 - 16:18.

Great site ! I really enjoyed reading all of your posts. It's interesting to read ideas, and observations from someone else's point of view... makes you think more. So please keep up the great work. Greetings.

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@EngrTun - Then you're the...

Submitted by rmitchell on October 18, 2007 - 13:22.

exception to the rule. Sadly as a recent college grad and someone who has been designing sites since the early 90's I've made these mistakes 5-fold. I've finally begun to understand how business (and not just ours) works.

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Actually reading this again.....

Submitted by franko on October 21, 2007 - 10:08.

It has struck me that someone tried out some of these excuses when they done some work for me on my website Thanks and I will keep this information in mind for future reference

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Oh My Gosh

Submitted by markkravitz on June 3, 2009 - 10:07.

This is one that I will book mark and refer to religiously :) is there an error in #6 "Contract? We don't need no stinking contact! Aren't we friends?" should that not be 'contracts'

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OMG! How it's right

Submitted by gregorius on June 6, 2009 - 06:31.

I have experience with everyone of the lies.

Software developer since 1999.Web developer since 2003.
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